Entry Fee for Beaumiont TX National Show ???

[74384]

Judge non-MCA cars like you do the MCA cars, just don't give out the MCA awards to non-members. The clubs buy the trophies, no money is lost to MCA.

Registration is going to be a treat. Mustang people are showing up but they can't register? That'll make them want to join MCA! We had 89 cars show up the day of the show, know how must money that is?

Somebody needs to start thinking of consequences before there are no shows because the clubs can't afford it!

[gcvaleri]

I am also an officer of the NCRMC and serve along side Hugh on our clubs board. I am an MCA member and was one before I became a member of the local club, but I will tell you that the only reason I remain an MCA member is because I have to be an MCA member in order for our club to remain an MCA affiliate.
George, your point of view is part of the problem, not part of the solution. I respect your right to have this opinion, and as a board member you also have the right to vote as you see fit.

We've tried to do the right thing...we've corresponded with board members (post between you and our president were actually removed from the forum over this issue), we have written letters, and we've talked with Steve Prewitt over the rule change issues, and were politely (or not so politely) told to shut up and go away. The information exchanged in this forum is proving our point, and now the other regional clubs are seeing the effect in increased fees to participate, and a lagging economy.

Putting on National Shows can be expensive....the cost of our show was about $60,000....if it weren't for the sponsors and the non-MCA entrants, we would have had to charge close to $150 per MCA member car to break even. $75 is going to look like a bargin in a year or so....

The board of this club needs to fly at 30,000 feet and be able to see what is on the horizon. When personal agendas take over the boards ability to be stategic thinkers then we are sunk as a club. This policy was born of a personal agenda. and the board did not foresee the consequences because they got caught up in a ground war over ego.

Please don't tell me to run for the board....that's not the answer...The answer is to listen to those that oppose you. They have valid points and they should be considered, not dismissed.

Gentlemen

Lets get the facts correct. The change to require MCA membership for those to have their judged by the MCA was being discussed long before I bought my pace car. I pushed it because I felt to get the benefit of a MCA award you should be a MCA member.

Again I ask why should a non MCA member recieve the same benefits of a MCA member? I can't get an answer to this question. Could it be there is no logical answer for my question?

We are flying at 30,000 feet and do see the horizon. If a club doen't change with the times and then the times pass us by. Then the club sinks!

About the ground war over egos. Sir, you are so wrong words can't describe how wrong you are.

There are many Directors who travel the country at our own expense to promote the MCA or judge members cars. Many of us spend thousands of dollars a year to make MCA a stronger MCA. The numbers prove our success that, just like our travel reciepts . Where do our egos fit?????

One thing we do agree on. Your run for a BOD seat is NOT the answer.

If you recall the recent poll taken regarding two 50th events. The majority was in favor of two shows. The membership spoke.

As for Pres Streve Prewitt, he values everyones opinion. He is most respectfull to all members. Even those that oppose him. If you feel the way you spoke above then the problem is on your end.

Everyone's opinion is considered and used in the final discussion to make the outcome of all issues.

You know the caryou said that can't be worth much. Even though it is 1 of 50. That is your opinion and I respect your opinion. I used myself as an example only.

How many members have been effected by this? I'm a MCA member because I want to be and want to see the MCA grow.

Personal agends are not the reason we promote the MCA. It's statements like yours the BOD can't go to the membership for an opinion. It is biased from the beginning.

Imagine if the BOD did ask for opinions of the membership and 5,000 members replied. Progress would be halted while everyones opinion was sorted!

If you feel I am the problem and not the soultion I respect your feelings.

As membership chair I am responsible to grow the membership. And growing the membership I am doing!

Thie requirement to be a MCA member to have your car judged is another venue to grow the membership. If you have suggestions I/we will gladly work to institue them.

Respectfully

[FastDad]

Everyone's opinion is considered and used in the final discussion to make the outcome of all issues.

It's statements like yours the BOD can't go to the membership for an opinion. It is biased from the beginning.

Imagine if the BOD did ask for opinions of the membership and 5,000 members replied. Progress would be halted while everyones opinion was sorted!

George, you need to make up your mind. Either "everyone's opinion is considered" OR "the BOD can't go to to the membership for an opinion". You cannot have it both ways. Also, if you don't go to the membership for opinions, how are you an effective representative of the members?

Also you say you are growing the membership. Please provide the percentage rate of increase of members during your tenure and the rate of increase/decrease during the same time period proceeding your tenure. Without facts, your boast is just noise.

[gcvaleri]

OK. Then I would ask (as an MCA member with a later model Mustang that competes in the Modified class); "What aspect of the rule change regarding non-MCA members at National Shows benefits folks like me?" I am now getting a discount, entry fees are reasonable, and my car is judged. Starting in 2013, no discount, higher entry fees because of possible lower attendance, and my car still will be judged. Sounds like a net loss from my perspective. George Valeri's "Barrett-Jackson" argument is moot, as my car will never go there.

If George Valeri's "Barrett-Jackson" argument is the reason for the rule change, then the majority of members are being asked to take it in the shorts for the benefit of a very few members who have cars of high value.

Hugh

Correct me if I wrong. Isn't the reason to have our cars judged to increase the value?

[FastDad]

Hugh

Correct me if I wrong. Isn't the reason to have our cars judged to increase the value?

OK George - consider yourself corrected. Increasing the value of my car has nothing to do with going to a show and having it judged. In my case, I have custom fabricated several mods to my car and having it judged is a way to affirm the quality of my work. I run track events with my car and when I win an award I take pride in my ability to clean all the race track grime off and polish it up nice enough to win an award. The judging and awards is all about personal pride in my car and has absolutely nothing to do with increasing the car's value. Your single-minded obsession with money seems sort of shallow and unemotional to me. Where's the passion for your car if all you do is think about how much you might get when you sell it?

[gcvaleri]

Before you go saying things about people you have no idea about... I am the past President of Copperstate Mustang Club and was show co chairman for our western Reginal MCA show at Wild Horse Pass which we had Lynn St James appear at. I have also chaired many other of our shows, so I know the costs associated with any show.

$75 is out of line to come and park your car and have it judged.. If you looking a comparing your show to a Carlisle Event, then WOW. It makes me sick to see anyone who dis agrees with anything here get attacked.. Our National Show was $45 for non members and $40 for Members. We got vendors and sponsors to help with the high cost of having the MCA Staff come in and didnt stick it to the attendees...

If your paying for the parking lot then they are sticking it to you... We had to search to find a place that didnt charge for the lot but we found one...

What was the high cost of the MCA staff?

[Mustang 3]

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Again I ask why should a non MCA member recieve the same benefits of a MCA member? I can't get an answer to this question. Could it be there is no logical answer for my question?

They don't and of course there is a logical ansawer to your question. Non members do NOT receive the monthly magazine. They do not receive a discount on merchandise.

Non-members pay $10 MORE per show..ie paying $$ to be judged. That amount was increased to $25 pr show (per judging event) in 2011 before the MCA Board reversed course.

I've been a member on and off since 1999 and just attended my first MCA show (Concord). As I took a new Boss 302 I told the Judge who came by to skip it as it is just a new 6 month old car and judging it was silly. Thus years of dues and never a car judged. I joined to support the hobby and help move MCA westward. I have never seen MCA as a tool to increase the value of my cars and ANYONE who only joins out of an interest in a financial gain has NO CLUE as to what this hobby is about in terms of the human social element and needs to be shown the door out of the club.

Oh the membership did not decide, vote nor agree on the 250th shows. It is a simple poll on a webiste in which about 175 folks OUT OF 10,000 members spoke. If you also look and PAY ATTENTION to you will see more folks voted for "two shows" then those who voted "going to Las Vegas": ie lots of folks who have NO intention of going to Las Vegas or either show at all just wanted to "back" their friends on the current Board and thus voted to "back them up".

[mustangted1963]

2 points, if its advertised that pre reg is required you wont get that 80 cars not doing it.


second, under old system why would anyone join MCA?

[FastDad]

2 points, if its advertised that pre reg is required you wont get that 80 cars not doing it.


second, under old system why would anyone join MCA?

Point 1: Human nature - some folks are just procrastinators. Also, many folks don't see the "advertisement" until after the deadline. You are correct though, if pre-registration is required, you won't get those 80 cars entering on the day of the show. They might show up the day of the show, but you won't get to enter them and you'll lose that revenue.

Point 2: There is more to MCA than just judged shows. At least that's what MCA has been telling us all these years. Under the old system we have thousands of members. Why did they join?

[Mustang 3]

Gentlemen

Lets get the facts correct. The change to require MCA membership for those to have their judged by the MCA was being discussed long before I bought my pace car. I pushed it because I felt to get the benefit of a MCA award you should be a MCA member.

Wait a minute--sorry folks I'm a wee bit dense at times. George, are you saying that as the National Membership Director you "pushed" and won approval of the show-membership requirement change?

My membership card is sitting right next to this computer as is an empty envelope addressed to MCA HQ. If the National Membership Chairman is the leading figure in that change please let me know and I'll see that my card, in 2 pieces, is sent back to you and MCA immediately.

As far as the future and the need to change--the Board originally handled that issue brilliantly in April 2011 with the increase in show fees to $25 for non-members. Fine, let them pay for judging but at the same time your bring in new blood to test the waters of an MCA Judged show.

The current standard of MCA members only Judging will kill MCA. Under the new rules the 2013 MCA National in Reno is DOA. $75 (estimated) show fee, $50 to join MCA or $125 for the show. You will NOT get many takers for Judged classes. Sure hope the Reno club can live on the much smaller display only fee as that is where the vast majorioty of cars will show. I predict the smallest MCA Judged Show in club history. MCA is still "new" on the West Coast--MCA barely has a toe hold at the edge of the cliff and they just lost even that. Trailered show cars are very rare here as we actually drive and enjoy our cars.