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Fast Mom's 2011 Convertiblehttp://www.mustang.org/content.php/1...MCA-MembershipOriginally Posted by gtpony94
•Entry fees at all National Shows are discounted $10.00 for MCA members.
At least I think that's what you said in your post.
I'm sorry Hugh, but what MCA membership benefit described on the web site has been dropped?
http://www.mustang.org/content.php/1...MCA-Membership
•Entry fees at all National Shows are discounted $10.00 for MCA members.
At least I think that's what you said in your post.
THANK YOU for taking the time to post. It appears that the April 2011 idea will turn out to be the better idea." Since the yearly dues are now $50, in April 2011 a motion was presented to the MCA Board of Directors to increase this non-MCA registration fee to $25 beginning with the 2012 show season, with the logic being if a non-member attended 2 National Shows per year, they would have paid for an MCA yearly membership. Again an incentive to join MCA."
GREAT INTELLIGENT MOVE BY MCA. Allows non-MCA cars to be judged exposing those owners to the MCA process but at a reasonable cost in sharing the frieght. (Comment by Mustang 3)
"And now, as we all know, that was recinded in October 2011 when the motion was made and approved to require MCA membership to be judged by the MCA standard in a National Show."
LOOKS TO BE A MISTAKE as it is going to send Member rates for Shows skyward--unintented consequence of a well intentioned idea. (Comment by Mustang 3)
"While I can not speak for the clubs hosting the 2013 National shows and the fees they are charging, I hope my attempt at explaining the non-MCA member registration fee answers some of the questions being asked."
Last edited by Mustang 3; July 8, 2012 at 01:20 AM.
I've been trying to digest this thread and to be honest with you it makes me sick! This sounds very familiar to a post I started regarding registration fees at this years shows. I have been heavily involved in running shows for over 20 yrs so I know what it takes. I also know that you need sponsorship to help with the cost. I think that part of the decision making in awarding a show to a regional club should include their ability to attract enough sponsor money to keep registration fees reasonable. If not, they have no business putting on a national show. As for the $200/300 fee for the Shelby's @ Carlisle, how can you compare Carlisle to a MCA national?? Also, there is no way I would spend that much (even if I can afford it) to go to any show!
I agree with the thought that non-members shouldn't reap the benefits of being judged at a MCA National (maybe 1 or 2 to get them interested) but I don't agree with the plans to require everyone to pre-register. I understand hopeto1 confusion in regards to this years show that cost $50.00 but next year it will be $75.00, how does a year make it different? Sure you don't have a pre-reg discount and a members discount because they're supposedly not needed but your cost doesn't change. So I guess you already know that your car count is going to drop big time (cetainly not a good idea in my book). I thought the goal was to increase membership not decrease it
I've been keeping track on this site in regards to the 50th show and people opinions about the board and I've been on the boards side up till now. It appears that the board has lost sight with what this club is all about! This club is for everyone & anyone who loves the Ford Mustang and you're suppose to have fun & be proud to be in this club. The board also appears to not be doing their job and that is to represent the members of this club. "Removing post & telling people to shutup and go away" is not what you were elected to do. I've been a member for over 25 yrs (member # 25XXX) but I'm starting to reconsider my renewal if the club continues the way it is.
Mr. Valeri said, "two non MCA members won over my car and that frosted me". So out of this, non MCA cars will not be judged in 2013. Also, no registration the day of the show. I will say this again, our club would have lost $8,000.00 had we been working under the new rules. 60+ (paying) cars were not members of MCA, and 80+ (paying) cars registered the day of our show. You clubs in 2013 won't be collecting that money! You clubs in 2013 better raise the price of your shows if you want to make anything at all! We presented this to MCA, and as someone else said, we were ignored. Our club wrote a letter from our board, and it was ignored. Although they thought we were answered in the magazine, that's not how you do business. MCA, your at 30,000 feet and you've lost an engine, you need to ask for an emergency landing real soon before you crash and burn, and Mr. Valeri seems to be your pilot!
Last edited by 74384; July 8, 2012 at 08:30 AM.
Hugh, you are correct. That is what is stated in that area of the website you reference and until the 2012 National show season ends it is still correct. As I said in my post, you can look at it two ways. Either the MCA member gets a $10 discount or a non-MCA member pays $10 more. That was what I was trying to say in my example.
Beginning in 2013 the MCA member no longer pays $10 less nor does the non-MCA member pay $10 more. The non-MCA member will pay the same as the MCA member if he enters one of the LM classes. As for the registration fee for the Display class, the National Show guidelines still say this class will be charged less that the judged classes with a recommended display fee of $20. But what the display fee ends up being is still left up to the descretion of the host club. The shows for 2012 have been charging anywhere from $25 to $35 for display entries. The display fee for the Beaumont Show in 2013 is $30.
I registered my car in the Waldorf show last year in display and still paid the full registration fee of $60. When I questioned Danny Truitt about there not being a lower fee for the display class on the registration form, he said "you approved the show registration form". To which I laughed and said, so I did and I failed to catch it in the review and approval process. My bad.
OK. Then I would ask (as an MCA member with a later model Mustang that competes in the Modified class); "What aspect of the rule change regarding non-MCA members at National Shows benefits folks like me?" I am now getting a discount, entry fees are reasonable, and my car is judged. Starting in 2013, no discount, higher entry fees because of possible lower attendance, and my car still will be judged. Sounds like a net loss from my perspective. George Valeri's "Barrett-Jackson" argument is moot, as my car will never go there.
If George Valeri's "Barrett-Jackson" argument is the reason for the rule change, then the majority of members are being asked to take it in the shorts for the benefit of a very few members who have cars of high value.
Last edited by FastDad; July 8, 2012 at 04:09 PM.
Your wrong Hugh! George was beaten out by non-MCA cars. That is what started this rule change thing. His car can't be of much value!
The higher entry fees to these shows can be acceptable if there is an associated benefit or attraction to the show. If the cost simply goes up in fear that there won't be as many registered attendee's, then I would have to raise concern over that.
If the club's are concerned about national show attendance, maybe they can offer a judged portion of the show that they can run on their own and use the MCA abbreviated judging sheets? If I'm not mistaken, most of the clubs that put on an MCA national usually do a regional show every year. Obviously, this will require extra effort, but it might be an option to bring in revenue that may be perceived as being "lost" with the new 2013 MCA show requirements. With my experience with the local mustang club, we could judge about 75-100 cars with 10 judges (5 teams of 2) in about 1.5 hours using the MCA abbreviated sheets. Just an idea of how to secure additional revenue, but again, does require additional volunteer work.
I guess only time will tell if it was the right decision to require MCA membership for judged classes. I can see where the entry fee discount membership benefit is exchanged for "MCA Judging of your car" benefit. But, for existing MCA members, it will be hard to see how this is a benefit since they've already been having their cars judged. Don't see why there would be a need to give a bonus point for an MCA window decal either if everyone is a member.
It's a tough job to keep everyone happy in an organization such as MCA, but without members there is no club. I'm not as involved as I used to be, but from an outsider looking in now, there seems to be some discontent. I hope the MCA leadership can figure out ways to boost the image of the club and promote new membership, while retaining as many members as possible.
I fully understand your point. Apparently the powers to be in MCA don't!! If they're going to charge that much so I have the "priviledge" of attending a MCA National and there is no added value then I guess I won't be attending. Very sad, I never thought this club would end up this way.
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