1969 concours restoration

[17780]

Just did. Hope this helps....Richie

[J_Speegle]

Hi Jeff, Well you got my curiosity up. Been in the retail auto business since 1973. What is IMHO? Have the Marti Report on car. Built 10/23/68 at Dearborn, ordered thru Omaha district. Shipped to Missouri Valley,IA. No reference to hood except "non ram air" Thank -You for responce, Jeff Hurlbert

Sorry just internet short hand for "In My Humble Opinion"

Now that we know when and where if car was assembled we can work on your initial questions

" First, painting the undercarriage,I have MCA restoration guide. The underside is in primer only?"

The floors, as we understand the process at that time, were shot with a red oxide colored epoxy primer from approx the firewall forward, by hand.





The floor section, from about the firewall rearward was shot (around ser # 117xxx) with what is referred to as "batch" paint a mixture of primer and left over exterior paint (this often produces something along the line of a greenish or blueish medium or dark gray) .......................







or a different batch of red oxide. Of course if you cleaned and documented the original finish of the floor pan you will find out exactly what was used.






"Some overspray and sound deadening? "

You would have over spray on the front frame rails from the engine compartment black (one of the last paint applications), body color over spray from the painting of the exterior body (heavier towards the rockers and less to nothing as you move towards the center of the car) ,...........

(Not all 69's but typical applications)






................... black overspray (not as far in as the body color overspray) from the pinch weld black out) - the last paint application on regular Mustangs


(Not all 69's but typical applications)













Sound deadner application (before or after specific paint applications) depends on where. Rear wheel well sound deadener was applied (for example) before exterior body color but front wheel wells was done after all painting and after all body panels and suspension were installed in an effort to seal and quiet road noise and water.




"The cut off between black in engine bay and undercarriage? "

Anywhere (depended on the age and height of the guy applying the paint originally) between the surface/face of the firewall and the floor pans. Normally IMHO fairly heavy over the top section of the angled section of the floor pan to light near the bottom . It's not an exact point just a range



"Anyone have pictures of concours resto undercarriage?"

Sorry don't keep pictures (generally) of restored cars since the vast majority of them stray (a little or allot) from what they were originally. Prefer original unrestored examples

[17780]

Hey hurlbert(Jeff), when you get the chance to go to an MCA event, make it a point to look at some "Great" examples of concours trailered and thoroughbreds. That way, you get to see the Mustangs in person. Ask questions to the owner. I'm sure they will be pleased to answer any of your questions. I have people ask me all the time about certain things on my 69 concours "Driven" Mustang at MCA events and I'm more than happy to answer their questions. Thats how we learn, is look and ask questions......Hope this helps.

[hurlbert]

Thanks, Richie. Since these contacts have got a good idea of how to go forward. Enough of the original primer/paint still on car. Had to get over original shock of factory quality in detail of undercariage. Jeff

[hurlbert]

Thanks Jeff, pictures help alot. I understand were you are coming from. ie. depends on the day and how tall painter is. Can see that in my undercarriage. Had trouble realizing I was looking at factory work. Plan on carefully looking over an documenting/photographing and duplicating. Pinch weld blackout. Know what pinch weld is, there all over car. Are there specific ones and what used to black out ? Is this done first or last? Sent a couple pictures of inside of hood. Cutout is unique, notice flares on 4 compass pts. Seems like alot of extra work for someone wanting to let some extra air in. Jeff

[17780]

You've got some great photos that speegle put on this thread and with schooling yourself at MCA events looking at other detailed concours undercarriages and asking questions,you will gradually get all the information and tools you will need. We all know this don't happen overnight,but, it will come together. You seem like you have the enthusiasm and you got one heck of a Mustang to start with.....Good luck, and hope all this info helps.

[CharlesTurner]

We usually don't get too many 69-70 Unrestored cars at MCA shows, but if you have an opportunity to observe a low mileage original, it will help immensely in replicating details on your restored car. Just be sure that any car you observe for technical information, you put it into the proper context of what you're trying to obtain. Doesn't do much good to observe San Jose cars when you're restoring a Dearborn car. Or, even an early year production versus a later year production.

[J_Speegle]

Thanks Jeff, pictures help alot. I understand were you are coming from. ie. depends on the day and how tall painter is. Can see that in my undercarriage. Had trouble realizing I was looking at factory work. Plan on carefully looking over an documenting/photographing and duplicating. Pinch weld blackout. Know what pinch weld is, there all over car. Are there specific ones and what used to black out ?

It was applied along the pinch weld at the bottom of the rocker panel (with overspray traveling inward as mentioned above) at the very front end of the rocker (front fender not yet installed) to where the rear valance would be pulled into (it was installed, hanging, when the body was painted) body at the rear, behind the rear wheelwell. Its believed that black cars may not have been done with the blackout as possibly (we're still having discussions on that one) some very dark colored cars (MCA rules currently allow for none on those cars)

Is this done first or last?

This was done after the body was painted and may have been at the same time or just after (may depend on the plant and how it was laid out) the engine compartment black was applied.

Sent a couple pictures of inside of hood. Cutout is unique, notice flares on 4 compass pts. Seems like alot of extra work for someone wanting to let some extra air in. Jeff

Not unusual to find the hood under the bolt on hood scoop on an early car cut out with the "pie cut" pattern They dropped it later in production (from the pie cuts to just a big open hole) from what I've seen (just not worth the effort and cost I guess when it was not (in these cars) hooked up directly to the air cleaner as it was done in late 68 for those CJ cars. Not unusual for previous owners (on pie cut hoods) to cut the center hot in an effort to help more air reach the engine But it,s not ram air, just hole in the hood

If the hood has original paint on it you might inspect the edges to see if they are bare or painted in those four areas

Hope this helps

[17780]

hurlbert, Like I say, looking at a detailed concours "trailered" Mustang, (THAT GOES ALONG THE SAME LINE AS THE ONE YOU'RE RESTORING i.e, big block, etc) will help you alot. The MCA Nationals and other MCA events usually have these Mustangs show up for judging similar to your Mustang. I have judged ALOT of concours "trailered" Mustangs(Along with a GOLD card judge) over the past decade or so that have scored very high in that class( I'm talking only 2-5 points deduction out of a perfect score of 700) I'm sure if you ask the owner how well his Mustang does at MCA events, he/she will be pleased to tell you. So I'm saying that if the Mustang scores 695-698 points out of 700 from show to show, the owner/restorer has done something right.

What I'm getting at here is..... look at these cars I'm talking about,get on your knees,look under the hood, ask questions, this will help you tremendously.....hope this helps.

[hurlbert]

Thanks for all your help. Happy New Year! Jeff